Jon Ward (Journalist and author of Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation) joins Ron Steslow to discuss growing up in the Evangelical Church, "Christian Trumpism," and his new memoir.
(06:05) Why Sarah Palin resonated with so many Christians
(10:36) What having difficult conversations can teach you engagement and defensiveness
(20:00) Evangelicals showing more fear than faith
(28:50) How the structures in evangelical communities enabled Trump to distort reality
(31:06) Right Makes Might vs Might Makes Right
(36:32) How can outsiders engage positively with Evangelicals on reforming the movement